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Try Something New! in Creativity – powered by Happy Scribe

OK. Hi, everybody.

All right, we’re going to see–the last two weeks when I’ve gone live,

I’ve forgotten to turn my mic on, so I’m pretty sure I did it all right this time.

You know, what I did forgetwas my, was my earphones.

Oh, my gosh.I swear, I’m an adult.

I’m a responsible person.

Worked so hard on my remembering my mic,I forgot to turn on my headphones.

All right, let me adjust this real quick

So that we don’t get circular.

Are you going to, do you know what?

It’s not even goingto give me that option.

Oh, my gosh.OK, there we go.

It’s all good now, right, so quick wipe.

Look, I just started and I did itall correctly, like a real adult.

OK, so thank you guys for coming back and

Oh, good, thanks.We do have sound.

That’s awesome.I just needed to, you know,

put my own headphones on so I could tellif something was going terribly wrong.


I thought it was funny.

I just saw a comment and I had to laugh.

So I’m going to bedistracted for a moment

right as we get started.

I had a haircut today,

finally my first haircut of the yearnow that we’re like well into September.

And it kind of needed it, it was bad.

But one thing my stylist likes to do is

she likes to give me a super,super smooth blowout.

So it looks very,

very professional and very awesome and notat all like what I look like normally

because I don’t take the time to dosuper smooth blowouts or anything.

But she likes to do it whenwhen I get my hair cut.

So that’s usually how I do.

But I told her specifically today,

I’m like, I’ve got this video thingthat I’m doing tonight and I don’t want

to show up looking completely differentfrom normal and spend a ton of time

talking about why my hair is different,because that always comes up

every time I get, every timeI get a cut and she blows me out.

It’s a major topic of conversationfor a couple of days.


then it’s like, so let’s just skip that.

I just, you know, do my hair, you know,

but just let it dry and let it doits own thing and I’ll be fine.

And but it still looksa little bit different.

And I ran the little teaser video for thistoday and somebody just commented,

“Oh, I see you’re doing something different

with your hair for the ‘dosomething different.'”

And I was like, it’s I’m doomed.

I’m doomed to get called out.

So but no, I got a haircut today and I was

I’m very pleased with my with my nowproperly, properly.

I don’t know even know what it is.

It’ll, it’ll, it’ll looklike itself again next week.

So.OK, all right.

Thanks for joining me.Hi.

We’re going to talk aboutsomething new again.

And last time we talked aboutdoing something new creatively and

No, Kate, we’re good.I liked it.

It made me laugh.

The last time we talkedabout doing something new,

I’m sorry

in marketing. This week,we’re going to talk about doing something

new in your you’re creating it becauseit’s really easy when you’re trying

to make a career of being creative,to stop being creative.

And so you just get in a rut because you

have goals and you have responsibilitiesand deadlines and stuff.

So I want to talk a little bit about

staying creative and trying something newto make your productivity better.

So that’s what we’re on about tonight.

So I guess the logicalplace to start with this is

“doom hair!” Thanks, Seeker.

The logical place to start with

this tonight is talking about writer’s

block, which you can heara lot about writer’s block.

And I’m not going to spend a lot of time

on it now, just kind of use it asa launch pad to get into the rest of it.

But I’m going to tell you that for themost part, writer’s block does not exist.

This does not in any way, shape orform mean that writing is not hard.

Sometimes it’s really hard.

Sometimes creating in anymedium is going to be hard sometimes.

But writer’s block,

the way it is traditionally spoken of isthat it is some mystical thing where

the muses just come down and bopyou on the head and stop the flow,

that doesn’t exist.

That’s largely a myth.

And it comes, I think,out of two things that on the surface

appear to be very different,but actually are kind of related.

The first one is that you are,

you’re editing too much while you’re

producing, you know,you’re trying to write and at the same

time you’re trying to evaluate if whatyou’re making is any good

and you can’t make and evaluateat the same time,

you can do very rapid task switchingsometimes so that it feels like you’re

doing that, but it’s really notthe most efficient way to do it.


the way, the reason it looks like more

advanced practitioners can do that is notbecause they’re actually

making and evaluating in the same moment,but because they have practiced making so

much that they’re making stuff startingat a better and a more advanced level

so that, you know, they’re not actuallyevaluating and redoing it on the fly.

Ha! Kate, “Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Stop looking over my shoulderat my creative process, Laura.”

Thank you. That’s,I’m just going to tell you that the way I

know these things is notfrom spying on other people.

Yeah, there’s there’s a reason I feltlike I was able to speak to this topic.

But you areyou know, when you’re trying to evaluate

while you’re making you’re really notgoing to do a good job either one.

Multitasking is, generallyspeaking, not your friend.

And that’s true in this thisparticular task as well.


So that is a major,major source of writer’s block is well,

I can’t write this down or Ican’t draw this picture,

I can’t do whatever, because as I’m makingit, I’m deciding it’s not good enough.

Well, of course, you can’t make itwhile you’re making that judgment.

OK, that’s fine.

Like, again, the job of a firstdraft is simply to exist.

So you have something to fixfor the second draft.

Don’t make it

don’t ask it to be more than that.

It’s really not fair to anybody involved,

the draft, you, anybody.

So so that is that is the first.

And I think the bigger cause of writer’sblock, the other cause of writer’s block

just comes from fundamentally notunderstanding that being a writer is more

than sipping coffeeand complaining about writing.

So if, you know,that’s the “I need to sit and wait

for the muse to come down and descendfrom the sky with angelic chorus

and and just proffer meon a platter on a gilded platter.

Here is your completed project.

Now, just sign your nameon it and we’re done.”

And that’s not how it works either.I’m really sorry,

That’s not a thing.

So, you know, it’s it’s

one is not a runner because you sit

on the couch and complainabout running being difficult.

Lots of people can sit on the couch.

By the way, I’m not saying this to beelitist about people who are not runners.

I am not a runnerin any way, shape or form.

In fact, if you should ever see merunning, do not hesitate to ask questions.

Don’t just just start running because

there’s obviouslysomething bad going down.

Right.So so that’s the case.

But I say that becauseit’s incredibly obvious.

It’s a great example of, you know,you can’t be a runner or get better

at running by sitting on the couchand talking about running.

So you’re not going to get betterat creating by talking about creating.

You need to sit down and create and not

stop yourself from creatingin the moment by

evaluating, “oh, what I’m making isn’t good.”

OK, that’s fine, that’s notits job, it’s a rough draft.

OK, you can’t edit a blank page, you can’tsteer a parked car, just make the thing.

So that’s where to start with whatyou know, that that form of writer’s

block, I’m going to sayin most cases, does not exist.

Now, there are times when you can getblocked or have difficulty creating.

And one of those we talked about,you know, a few weeks ago when we talked

about creating in 2020,where there’s a lot of external stresses

and distractions and things that areinterfering with your creative process.

Those are real.

OK, if you’re if you’re worried about howyou’re going to make rent this month and

so you’re trying to squeezeextra hours into your day job.

So you’re not working outthat one finicky plot problem.

That’s fine.You got priorities.

OK, that’s that’s that’s no big deal.

That’s good.

I’m sorry.

I got excited for a moment.

I missed the chat and I just lookedover and saw all the comments.

And so Grace points out quite aptly,let’s not mix

what we traditionally call right and leftbrain tasks, you know, so that those are

they’re not literallyright and left brain.

We know that now.

But they’re but they’re very definitelydifferent kinds of functions.

So leave them don’t tryto squish them together.

And I love Kate’s over here.

This all caps, “LIES! /sips coffee/”

So that is again, I speak here

with some knowledge of this topic,except I don’t drink coffee.

So that is

that’s my out that I’m definitely not

talking about myself becauseI don’t drink coffee.

OK, yeah, so great observation here

from Natalie, you guys, thanks,just keep just keep feeding me my lines.

This is good.

Natalie says “the frustrating thing isthat the effortless inspiration

from the sky happens just often enoughfor me to spend the rest of the year

going, well, obviously you can do it likethat because it happened to that one time.”

Yeah, absolutely.I’m there.

I’m right there with you.

So I have a story in my

authorial history that I sat down.

I’m going to say probablyseven or eight p.m.

with a big old pile of caffeine.

It’s not that I don’t docaffeine, I said I don’t do coffee.

I just get it in a very unhealthy form,which is soft drinks and.

Don’t judge me, it’s 2020,I have my biases

and I sat down in the evening and I wrotethis story and by four or five a.m. I put

out somewhere just over10000 words and I changed.

I reread it, changed like two words,sent it off,

sold it on its first submission,and it won an award later that year.

Or actually it was later that it won, it doesn’tmatter, it eventually won an award.

The heck, OK, that does not happen,

and that is one of those things that youjust absolutely thank you, God,

I really appreciate that gift,but let’s not get used to that,

because if I just sit around waitingfor that to happen again,

I’m going to be doing a lot of sittingand not a lot of writing.

So now there are absolutely times when youget into a flow state and things are

amazing and there are ways you can trainyourself to get into a flow state.

So that’s a thing that, you know,just put away for the future.

But but yet the fact that ithappened the one time you

will know the beginner’s luck situationwhere, you know, you went to you went to

the pool game, the shooting match,whatever, and and you you nailed that one

shot and then you’re like, OK,walk away before it goes bad.

You can’t assume that it’salways going to go like that.

So.Yeah, so.

From that perspective,

writer’s block is is a myth,but it’s still there’s still times when

it’s really, reallyhard to make something.

That’s for me right now.Hi, Kyle.

Thanks for stopping by.

Yeah, this water story that I’m working

on is kicking my butt,and there’s no good reason for it.

I don’t know why I’m writingit in the same setting

a, you know, World War two fantasy.

I’ve written threestories here previously.

I feel like I know exactlywhere I want the story to go.

It’s just not going there.

And I have no idea why it’sgiving me so much trouble.

But it is.

But that’s OK, because I had other thingsto be working on at the same time.


so that’s

that’s one of the things we’re talkingabout, is having multiple projects.

So, yeah.Natalie says her first nonfiction

draft went from zero to nearly publishablein ten days,

which makes everything else feel deathlyslow and extinction by comparison.

Yeah, when it gets, right,

it’s like when you know you know,Natalie and I both work in behavior.

And when you have that that client who,

you know has like, oh no, no, I had thisone dog who would never leave the yard.

We didn’t have to put her on leash.We didn’t have to have a fence.

She just naturally stayedon the front porch.

I’m like, well, I’m real glad that you hadthat perfect stuffed animal the one time.

But that’s not normal.

And we can’t expect to the rest

of the rest of the naturalpopulation to to act like that.

So, OK, and and Grace says shedoesn’t get writer’s block ever.


Well, just quietly beat youup in an alley after class.

Yeah, that’s great.

But she says there’s the thing calledavoidance that totally happens.


Especially when the manuscript isbeating me up on the playground.

Avoidance is a real thing becauseI’m going to go in there.

I’m going to stare at these words.

They’re the same words that they’re there

last time and the time beforethat they have not gotten better.

I’m not going to make anything better.

And it’s so frustrating.

And so why would I want to goand do that? Good question.

That’s why we have some things.

We have some things to talk about,

so I’m trying to read the talkand read the chat at the same time.

Yeah, yes.

Natalie,I’m sorry, you are,”but my last dog-ing,”

heart to heart, you are,that person right now.

OK, here we go.

So we’ll move past.We got things to do.

All right.

Oh, my gosh, I have a drinking problem

that’s 2020, and I’m going down.I swear it’s water, it’s not gin.

I’m that guy on Airplane.


all right, OK, let’s let’s move on.

Here’s the thing where people get

into trouble with the writer’s block mythor the creator’s block myth.

Again, this applies to all media.

There’s there’s too muchfocus on willpower.

I’m just going to sit down and if I am

a moral person, I can just will thisproject to come into existence.

And that’s.

I mean, maybe maybe for some people

that might happen, that’s notreally how it works for me.

So actually, if I’mworking on deadline where,

funny story for you.

I’ll tell you just a minute.

But a number of cases in my authorial

career, actually more that I’m thinkingabout it than I probably want to admit to.

I have sat down and said, “OK,

I need to produce this story this week”or sometimes in the next 24 hours.

And the way the only way I can make

that happen is by giving myselfpermission to utterly fail.

I am going to start typing and I’m goingto keep typing and I’m going to produce

a phenomenal number of obscenely bad words–and not bad words, but inferior words.

This is still a PG rated event.

OK, anyway,

I’m just going to, you know,

absolutely just puke up, you know,something that remotely resembles prose.

And and then I’ll just put enough of it

out that by the law of statistics,you know, an infinite number of monkeys,

I will get a few wordsthat I can work with and

then we can take take piecesof that and put them together.

What I have found is that by givingmyself permission to be awful.

I can I turn off that evaluationthing that, again,

you can’t do at the same time that we justtalked about a moment ago,

and by turning off that evaluation mode,it actually allows me to be a better

creator because I’m not getting in my ownway so I can produce faster and I actually

produce better when I give myselfpermission to produce junk,

because by having permission to produce

junk, I get out of the wayand I produce good stuff.

I hope that makes sense.

It’s completely counterintuitive,but I hope it makes sense.

And I’m sorry, I just saw the chat likea fly by, so I’m going to try to catch up

and see what’s going on becauseI don’t want to miss people.

Oh, Kyle, you can totally write like this

is this is exactly what we’re talkingabout right here, right here.

Like just,you know, the whole point

of this is absolutely somethingyou can do and you don’t, nobody starts by,

I do not,

there’s no way I can just sit up off

my couch and be like, “hey,I’mma run a marathon today.”

It’s not how it works.You get to start with the jogging

and nobody likes the jogging,but that’s how you get started.


Grace is, “I’ve been ready for three weeks

to start my next novel, but do youthink I’ve ever sat down to do it?

Nope.”Hey, Grace, virtual high five.

Yeah, that’s definitely notwhat I’m doing right now.

So but yeah, absolutely.

Give yourselves permission to fail.

You know, that to me is one of the

biggest and most freeing things and I havefound is completely counterintuitively,

the worse I allow myself to be,the better my product actually is.

And I found that to be the caseon multiple occasions.

So that is my.

A few years ago, I, I started noticinglike this is this just random things?

I started noticing I would swaphow homophones and homonyms and.

That is not something that I had ever done

personally like this is something that Ihave, you know, for decades I have known

there, they’re, and their aredifferent words I can think.

But I would catch myself as I was writing

that I would use the wrong there or

the wrong your and I’m not going to lie,it kind of creeped me out because that is

something that I had neverstruggled with my entire life.

And then I noticed that I was having

trouble staying on task and stayingfocused, cut to the chase.

Those were the first signs of what

actually turned out to bea thyroid infection.

So I started having weird things goingon with my thyroid, which, of course,

affects your brainand all this other stuff.

So good news, everything’s fine.

But where I was at this time,I went through a prolonged period of.

I felt very stupid and I wasalso doing some major lifestyle changes,

you know, I was on a diet which wasincredibly restrictive,

trying to get this back undercontrol and that sort of thing.


the short version is that I wasmy productivity was absolutely shot.

Like I was getting nothing donein the fiction department and

staying focused and writing goodwords was really, really hard.

There was also an anthology that I really

wanted to participate in, and becauseit sounded like a lot of fun and

its deadline was approachingand I was not able to.

And so I sat down, I remember I think we

were closing on like the lastseven or nine days before deadline.

And I just sat down and I consciously said

to myself, I’m just goingto keep my fingers moving.

I don’t know what’s going to come out.It doesn’t matter.

I’ll sort that later.

I’m just going to keep my fingers moving.

And in the beginning,it was really, really rough.

I’m not going to lie, pretty ugly,

but as I kept going,I started getting more into a flow state

and I started, because my jobwas just to keep things coming.

And there was no time to wonderif it was a good idea or not.

Just puke it on the page.

Keep going.

And then anyway, the shortversion is, that I love that story.

That’s my Mrs.Claus story.

It’s in the Mrs. Claus anthology, which Rhonda Parrishedited, and I just resold it.

It’s going to be out in an audio

fiction podcast this this winter,this Christmas.

And it’s a lot of fun.


the idea being that you can getstuff done even

under duress with that sort of thing.

I think that had a point to tie into the thyroidthing and everything else when I started.

It doesn’t matter now.

It’s gone like my brainis my brain is gone.

So, yeah, Grace is confirming,you know, “pay close attention

to the initial output and itactually gets better.

Quantity leads to quality.”Yeah.

And it feels very wrong to saythat way, but it really does.

And here’s the thing.

You as a normal functioning human,you’re trained

personally and sociallyto focus on the negative.

So you will sit down and you’ll say, OK,

I’m going to write 5000 words and you’llwrite 5000 words, but you’ll look at it

and you’ll go like, “oh,man, this scene is really choppy.

The pacing of the scene is awful.

And the characterizationin here is just not good.

And yeah, that was a bad idea.”

That was 500 words of your 5000.

OK, most of it was good stuff.

But then you,you know, got mad about this part,

and so you kind of write off the entirething. I promise you, if you

just sit down and write,not everything is going to be awful

It’s just statisticallyextremely improbable that

everything you producein a session will be awful.

So just get in the habit of producing

something and then going throughand picking out the good parts.


Kate, “STOP READING MY DRAFTS LAURA”All caps, I love it.

It just makes me laugh.

OK, you know, again, I’m notI’m not making this stuff up.

There’s a reason I feellike I can share this, so.

OK, all right.

Let’s move on.

What have I got here?

I had notes when I started.Oh.

I was talking about there’stoo much focus on willpower.

There is.You know, so it’s it’s not about morality.

It’s not just, if I’m a good personand I concentrate really hard.

I can magically I can forceout this good, good product.

That’s not how it works.

You need to be able to setyourself up for success.

And part of that is reducing thatexpectation load like I talked about and.

I’m going to say I don’t know how

I would quantify this scientifically,but just between us,

like very non scientifically, creativitycan be depleted just like anything else.

You can overwork a muscle.

You can run out of airand you can deplete your creativity.

At some point.You need to refill your creativity.

You need to, you know,recharge the battery.

But there are betterand worse ways to do that.

And I’m going to say,

by the way, we are finally rolling aroundto the title screen of tonight’s talk.

One of the best ways to dothat is to try something new.

And that’s not what we often want to do.

Frequently we’re like, “oh,man, things are getting hard.

I’m going to go watch a movie or I’m goingto go play my casual phone game” — guilty of

these kind of things.

You want to go do somethingthat’s completely separate.

Those are not inherently bad ideas,but they’re not always your best idea.

So I’m just going to give youanother thing to keep in mind.

OK, OK.Yeah.

So Grace points out,

“will power is for the first 30 secondsof work when we hate it,

where it might last for a few minutes,but after that it gets easier.”

Absolutely.And I think we talked about this

a few weeks ago in the show when I was

like stupid things like I don’twant to get in the shower.

Oh, I get in the shower and it’s fine.But I just, you know,

that moment if I going to get the showerand back to assuring people, yes,

I know you can’t smell me,it’s the Internet, but I do take showers.

I promise.OK, so

let’s talk about what to do to make yourto to help replenish your creativity.

So where I’m going after this is one

of the big things is to you want to keepyour brain in the habit,

you want to keep yourself in the habitof making rather than consuming.

I am not against consuming.

For one thing, on a purely mercenary

level, if people didn’t consume,I wouldn’t sell books.

So please buy my books.

OK, but there’s nothing wrong.

Like I get ideas, my creativity,my battery is recharged when I read other

books, when I watch movies,when I play games.

OK, like all of these thingsare valid and useful.

But if I always escape from difficultcreating into consuming,

I’m training myself to quitcreating and start consuming again.

Consumption is not bad,but consumption is not creating.

And I’m going to make it harder for myselfto get back in the creating groove if I’m

constantly greasing that groove towardconsumption as an escape route.

So let’s talk about creating something

different, which will stillkeep you in that mode.

But take the pressureof that particular project off.

And here’s one of the great thingswhen you try something brand new.

So I’m not talking about, you know,I’m normally a marathoner and now I’m

going to run on the streetinstead of on the sidewalk.

OK, I don’t know.

I keep using running metaphors because I’m

not a runner, but it’s that Ithink I’m in constant awe of it.

So that’s to me, it sounds like, you know,

it’s a great exampleof a really elite person.


but when you start something completelynew that you are,

that you don’t have a background in,your progress will be so much faster than

if you try something that youhave already done before.

This sounds weird, but hear me out.

If I, I’m going to talk about ice skating,

because it’s another thing that I have noexperience with,

so! But I think it makes a really clearexample, if I’m going to go and learn how

to ice skate, my initial experience is I’mgoing to learn how to stand on the skates.

I’m going to learn how to propel I’m going

to learn how to turn,and I’m going to go from can’t stand up

to making conscious directionalchoices fairly quickly.

I am not going to be doing any triple

axels, but I’m going to go from zero to 60fairly quickly where 60 means

I’m traveling under my own power,not getting injured.


However, if you are an elite ice skater,you have been ice skating for a very long

time with an absurd amountof practice behind you.

The effort it takes to make even

a minuscule improvement to go to the nextlevel is so much more than the effort it

took to go from absolutebeginner to competent.

All right.

So that is why at the Olympic level,you will see people putting in 100 hours

to move up a decimalpoint in their score.

So 100 hours of practice and move up justa tiny little fraction of a score point

versus, you know,

I can go from an absolute rookieto competent within a week or two.

All right.So that is what I’m after here is if you

go and try something new,you’re going to get better very quickly.

You’re going to see progress quickly.

And that feels good to see progress.

It’s about reinforcement.

Again, my day job is behavior.

I can generate a lot of reinforcement

at the beginning because I’m seeingprogress with literally every step.

Oh, look, I made anotherthree feet without falling.

I feel really good about that.

And you should! Pleasedo feel good about that.

That’s the point.

But it also means I can harness

that readily available reinforcementand use it to feel better about

the progress I’m making, which will carryover into other things that I need to

feel better about.

And it’s not — I’musing very casual language.

that “I’m going to feel better about this”

because I don’t want to go into completenerd land and talk about reinforcement

histories and depthof reinforcement and all of that.

And I’m really like, there’s not that manypeople who want to sign up for that.

But that’s a concept I’m after here.

I mean, this isn’tsomething just fuzzy wuzzy.

“I feel good about myself yay”

It’s scientifically speaking,

that is what is going to fueland motivate your behavior.

So I hope that made sense.

Well, after this long bunny trail about iceskating and whatnot,

but the idea that being you try somethingnew, you’re going to progress from rank,

beginner to competent far more quicklythan you are going to progress from

reasonably competent creatorto slightly more competent creator,

just because that’s the natureof how learning works.

So take that energy and use it.

Note, the flip side of this is that this

is why people quit as they get, you know,so far into a pursuit and then it starts

getting harder and harder to make the sameamount of progress so people get less.

And if you don’t if you don’t find

that inherently reinforcing,it’s not inherently enjoyable on its own.

That’s where people will start slowing

down because their return on investmentappears to be getting lower.

Well, it doesn’t appear to be getting lower,

they are putting more workin for the same return.

And that’s just how it is.

And that’s fine.

That means I can choose at that point.

Do I find ice skating enjoyable enough

to want to continueto pursue it and get better?

Or do I just did I justneed to be competent?

I just need to have that one fun weekend.

That’s both of those are fine choices,I have made both choices.

No, this is great.I just needed to get my feet wet.

Oh, no, this is really cool and I’mgoing to continue pursuing it.

Now, both of those are valid,

but just take it and use it for whatyou can get out of it regardless.



And I’m getting some weirdred lights here.

I’m still connected.

I hope that wasn’t like a 20 minuterant and I wasn’t even going here, OK?

All right.Oh, thanks, Natalie.

I’m still connected.

OK, I’m just going to hope thoselights mean everything’s fine.

All right.All right.

So I’m trying new things, but here

what I wanted to tell you, some things,I’m trying to practice what I preach.

I have the water story,

which is not going well at all,but which is due at the end of the month.

So I’m going to workreal down hard on that.

And I have dark chocolate stashed awayto push me through this at the end.

OK, rant heard, thank you.Thank you chat friends.

OK, and

so one of the things that I’m doing to get

around this water story problemis that I keep alternating.

I’ll look at the water story.I’ll go over to Kin & Kind.

I’ll look at the water story.

I’ll go write

the G is for Ghost story

and that sort of thing.

So the G is for Ghost is,

so when I said a moment ago

I was writing under deadline,

I completely forgot.Hi, Rhonda.

If you’re listening to this, please.

Go change your laundry or or something.

So G is for Ghost is part of the alphabet

anthologies and I hadcompletely forgotten

Totally forgotten to put it

on my calendar, it was it was on there,but it was it was wrong.

So I had the deadline wrong.And so I got this nice little email

saying, yeah, your story’s due in,you know,

three days if you haven’t submittedalready, just friendly reminder.

And I was like, oh, I shouldprobably have a premise for that.

Like, I had nothing.So I worked my butt off on that story.

But it was fun because itwas a different genre.

So I was doing something that was, it’s kind of a psychological horror.

It’s not gorefest.

It’s not, that’s not what I,

splatterpunk’s not my thing.

But I wanted something that wasjust one of those

“Is it or isn’t it” in your headkind of horror pieces.

And it was a lot of fun because it was so

incredibly differentfrom what I was doing.

Nothing at all like the water story,nothing at all like Kin & Kind

just like, “let me go mess with somebody’s

head and critiquepost-modernism” and all of that.


and so that was a lot of fun.

And and then I got it in

under the wire and made it so.Yeah.

You can come back now, Rhonda,story’s in your inbox.

Everything’s cool.

That is

a great example.I was able to turn on that and move

quickly because it was so different Iwasn’t feeling burned out in that area.

I wasn’t feeling like I had been beating

my head against that storyfor a long time.

I was able to move on to something else.

I’ve got another work in progress that

I don’t talk about a lot becauseI have no idea what to call it.


you know, 150,000 wordsand it has no title.

This is classic Laura.

But when I get stuck on Kin & Kind,I go and I work on this other story.

And, you know, it just keeps me from

getting stuck and feeling frustratedbecause I’m still making progress.

I’m just doing makingprogress and something else.

But I’m not just falling into the,

“Fine, I can’t do anything!” mental trap.

So there are people who workon one project at a time in sequence

always, I’ve heard of them.

I believe they exist.

I’m not one of those people.

For me, the ability to rotate is actually

part of what keeps mehappy and productive as a creator.

So the other thing that I’m trying now,which is completely new, totally

not my normal thing at all,but I’m really excited about it.

And you guys actually are the first peopleto hear about it,

because I have not spoken about itonline yet, but I’m making a cookbook.

Don’t panic, it’s got, it’s all aboutchocolate, so it’s still classic Laura,

but so three of us are collaboratingtogether on making a s’mores cookbook.


so it sounds crazy,but it’s been so much fun.

So we have probably roughly 70s’mores recipes.

And that sounds crazy,but I’m not kidding.

Can you guys, like, indulgeme for for a second here?

I actually have.

I was working on this before.

Before the show and so I’ve got photosit’s like these are

pictures that are going into the book,I guess, photos that I was working on,

a slide show going, oh, gosh,what is this stupid thing?

There we go.See you.

Not that you can see this, but.

Oh, my gosh, guys, I’m having so much fun.

And this is using all the different thingsI’m doing different kinds of layout.

We were doing photography.I’m taking these photos.

I don’t consider myself a photographer.

I know just enough to to fake things.

But this is allowing me to stretch.

And we look at this and go, oh, my gosh,

I made this photo and it’s reallygood and and these kinds of things.


so that’s the kind of thingsthat I’m getting excited about.


doing that and like I said,

rotating projects is reallyimportant for me and you.

Just the idea is you just want to keep

the habit of creatingrather than just consuming.

If every time something gets hard, “fine,

I’m going to go watcha movie instead,” then

that’s what you’re training yourbrain to do every time it gets hard.

I’m going to stop creatingand go to consume.

And again, nothing at all bad aboutconsuming art is here to be consumed.

But what I don’t want is to train my brainthat the the usual and proper way

to respond when thingsget sticky is to quit.

That’s not what I’m doing.

OK, so please consume the art,

but consume the art when you choose to,not because something got hard.

So thanks.

I see in the chat, like I’m so excited

about those,those photos and those s’mores.

Like this is a dumb thing to get excitedabout, but I’ve never done a cookbook

before and it’s going to be like,hey, look at this thing.

I’m so bad at branding, guys.

What I said when we talked about branding

him like, you know, it’s so much betterif you can pick a niche or a genre.

And this is why I brandfor myself rather than a

particular genre niche,because I’m so bad at staying in my lane.

So, hey, I write epic fantasyand nonfiction and mystery and cookbooks.

This is definitely a do as I say,not as I do think so.

OK, let’s move on.

And I just want to emphasize to allthe time that I’m talking about this.

I keep talking about what to do,what to do, what to do.

There is it is important to take breaks.

I am not saying don’t take breaks,please take breaks.

I’m saying take conscious, you know,make conscious choices about your breaks.

So.Oh, hang on.

Let’s see what’s….

So, Natalie is speaking my lingo over here,

“so avoiding oh,this got hard and the reinforcement

schedule thinned,let me escape the aversive pressure

and go seek out reinforcement with thateasy highly preferred behavior instead.”

Yes, that’s it.

Where you are moving from low probabilityto high probability and recharging

that battery and then carryingthat reinforcement history into our new

scenario with behavioralmomentum on our side.

Absolutely.All right.



yeah, Kate’s helping meout with my branding here.

She says, “your s’mores

are finding agencyin their gooey chocolate.”

Yeah.You know what?

I’m just going to go withgooey chocolate fuels good decisions.

I don’t know if that’s true,

but it’s certainly a different approachI’m willing to to argue for.


Yeah,but yeah, my point is,

there’s I’m I’m not going to tell youa lot of like how to do self care.

There’s so many self care podcasts andself care articles and whatnot out there.

And but what I’m going to say is that

refreshing and maintaining your creativityis more than,

you know, putting on acosmetic facial mask and,

you know, getting a pedicure or lighting ascented candles like anything like that.

Not that is a deliberately cliched viewof self care that I’m promoting there.

But I’m emphasizing for effect.

I want you to think about the choices

you’re making to trainyour brain as well as

I’m just going to take a break.

I’m just going to take a break is

absolutely legit and can be a fabulousdecision, I’m just saying make sure it is

a decision and not a defaultof when things get hard, I just quit.

That’s what I’m after.

So.All right.


So the chat is agreeingthat this chocolate

may require extensive testing for science.

And I’m all in guys like for science.

That would just be the responsiblething to do to experiment and see.


OK,so and there’s lots of ways that you can

be using your brain whileyou’re taking these breaks.

And, you know, and again,

just I just want to chill and watcha movie and let somebody feed me a story.

That’s fine.OK, but there’s lots of other ways

that you can do something still,you know, maybe look for something

interactive so you’re stillcreating what you’re consuming.

One fairly common way to do thisis tabletop role playing games.

So Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder,you know, any of these kinds of things


RPG lets you,you don’t have to come up with the entire

story, but you could get to contribute tothe story and collaborate on the story.

So that can be a really good way to

keep your hand in,but without taking on the whole weight

and the whole responsibilityof creating yourself.


I have a number of game groups that are

some are, you know, relatively typical,I’ll say, gaming groups.

And there’s one that is almost entirely

creative, you know,professional creatives at the table.

And I’ll tell you,that thing is a wild ride.

We had a lot of fun with that.

So you just you know, you just kind ofplay off each other and let your brain go.

And you can’t get in too much troublebecause there are some rails.

Sorry, I’m pretty sure my my GM is

listening to, one of my GMsis listening to me right now.

And hey, I apologize.

Thank you for GMing us, you know,but he does a good job of keeping

the rails on so we can’tget into too much trouble.

But yeah, I mean,Play-do, like anything, just make you

just experiment with something ortake away all the expectations

that, you know, if I sit down,I’m like, I’m going to write this.

I have expectations that itneeds to come out a certain way.

It needs to be a certainlevel of achievement.

It needs to be this you know,this quality when I’m done

and I bring that because I haveexperience in that medium of creativity.

If I sit down with Play-do,I don’t have the same weight

of expectations that I’m going to produce,you know, Venus or something here.

I’m not going to come outwith a Nike in my Play-do

because I don’t have the history there.

So I’m allowed to just createand experiment without pressure.

And absolutely, you can choose to to take

away that pressure from yourselfin other medium as well.

But if you aren’t used to that,then start experimenting with that.

Train yourself to do that by doing it

in places where you don’t havethat weight of expectation.

So.All right.

That, I think, is most of what I hadto rant on this particular ranty rant.

So I guess my my take home message for youguys is to,

you know, when things get sticky, go dosomething else for a while and come back.

Gosh, Laura, why didn’t you say that

you know, forty five minutesago, and we could have been done.

But, you know, I really I’m just after

training my brain to experiment,training myself to take the pressure off.

And like I said, I have personally foundthat the better I get at removing

the pressure, the less inhibitedmy productivity becomes and the better I

actually producebecause I get out of my own way.

So, OK,

and just a heads up for next weekis a Learn With Me theme week.

And we are going to have Ceallaigh MacCath on.

Ceallaigh is a folkloristby profession and she has this

wonderfully academic take on allthe things that we talk about and do

in our stories,either, you know, the tropes or specific

uses of of fairy tales orretellings or or whatnot.

So Ceallaigh and I have talked about, one

of the things we’ve beenin several anthologies together.

That’s actually how I know her.

And so she is going tojoin me on here next week.

So if you have questions

for her related to anything about this

at all, like don’t don’t feel,you have to bring in a very academic

question, just anythingrelated to folklore.

Storytelling, myth, legend, all of that.

Feel free.

Excuse me,

feel free to drop those questions to meusing any of the many ways of contact and

I’ll make sure to havethem ready for next week.

And then, of course, you’re welcome to ask

questions while we are liveand chatting next week as well.

So, yes.

So we are going to do creative things.

Oh, sorry.Just happened.


Grace is bringing uptoy photography in the

in the chat.Toy photography is another thing that,

you know, you’ve got some,some structure built in because this is

a toy that comes with particularcharacters and backstory and and and so

there’s some setting to to work with,but you get to do whatever you want.

So, yeah, you don’t always have to makeeverything up entirely from scratch.

And I’m going to mention the F word.

Fanfiction may also bea way to to utilize that.

And, you know, people have differentfeelings about it and whatever.

Have a good time, but just don’tmake money off other people’s stuff,

that’s the really short version.

But if you really want to experiment

with something, you don’t haveto invent something from scratch.

If you’re using somebody else’s characters

and settings, you can have a good time,you know, playing with the concept there

and you still got to dosomething creative.

So, OK.

Yes, so that’s what I’ve got, guys.


yeah, so send me questions for Ceallaigh and I will see you next week for a learn

with me and then we will be doingour create-in the week after that.

So that is what I’ve got.

Everybody take care.

Have an awesome evening or morning,

depending on where you areor when you listen to this.

Just go be awesome.

Go do something creative.There we go.

Take care, guys.Bye.

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